Looks like bloggers are spoilt for choice these days if they are looking to associate with other bloggers. There's a new blog alliance in town, PABS (click here for Susan, and here for KTemoc - btw who's the president and who's the deputy?).
This will be interesting. On one hand, competition is good 'coz now bloggers can be vied by not one, but two alliances. Or maybe even join two if they want. 'Coz they don't have to be at loggerheads, ok. They can actually work together towards the common objective that they have. On the other hand - well, emotions tend to get out of hand and people get blinded when they're mad.
The blogosphere's gonna be choppy these days. (And I'm probably gonna miss the action 'coz I'm in Taipei!) But let's not focus the fire on shooting each other down, but on something constructive, ok? Why do we blog? For the country! So let's not get distracted, shall we?
On an unrelated note, this is how you should deal with blog wars. *Click*
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!?!
Wahahahhaha.... I love KennySia!
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Road to where? You decide.
Sigh.
Hiatus kononnya. It still stands, by the way. Right after I respond to this ball in my court – last one, I promise. I’ll try to make this as clear as possible, then potter back to wherever I please.
Please read this if you haven’t.
Set? Go.
Firstly, in Susan’s rebuttal to me, there was no mention of Ijok in anywhere. This is strange because I was referring to her proposal of passing up a referendum in Ijok at the first place. And to view all the arguments in this context and temporal dimension is crucial, on two accounts: 1. Ijok’s ultra-sensitive political position. 2. All-Blogs is in its infancy, it is less than 1 month-old and has not even been registered. Its constitution is not ready; membership issues are still being thrashed out. To an extent, it is still but a figment of our imaginations, each person imagining his/her own version of what All-Blogs should be. Like a friend was telling me - blind men and the elephant.
Secondly, it is apparent that we have different targets in mind when we talk about the blogosphere. This I have to set right, because arguing with two different sets of assumptions is just wasting everybody’s time. To me, the Malaysian blogosphere composes of EVERY single blogger. Those who blog about their cats, their cars, what they had for lunch, how Phuket is the best place on earth and etc. Private, public. Real name, pseudonym. 80yearolds, 10yearolds. EVERYBODY. Sociopolitical bloggers should not be so presumptuous as to believe that they are the only segment of the blogosphere who matter.
I had been observing other segments of the blogosphere when the Bloggers United movement broke out. Based on my observations, many other bloggers simply do not share the indignant feelings of this part of the blogosphere. They don’t care. *gasps from the audience* They don’t. So from that point of view, I’d say that basing All-Blogs on the Bloggers United framework would limit it to precisely the 300 people who put up the badge. But All-Blogs could be so much more!
Thirdly, I am not proposing that bloggers under All-Blogs tone down to appease the government. We have to be clear here, that All-Blogs is an entity separate from its members. Its members can do whatever they like, but NOT under the name of All-Blogs. For example, Rocky can go to Ijok and blog about it, but he may not blog that “All-Blogs went to Ijok today”, unless it was passed by an All-Blogs meeting. The members can have all kinds of ideologies and inclinations, but the umbrella of All-Blogs must be neutral. Also, All-Blogs should not impose any rules on its bloggers except some general non-binding pledge, like I had previously mentioned here.
You mentioned that All-Blogs must take a stand to educate and engage the government. Well, my stand is that we should keep our eyes on the macro objectives of freedom of expression and freedom of information (elaborated here), and I don’t believe that going to Ijok, demanding for freedom for bloggers is a strategic move to lead us towards that direction. I beg to differ about the government not needing education on blogging, and I don’t think they need any more persuasion that bloggers are serious about their freedom to blog. How do you intend to educate and engage the government when you push it further to confirm its suspicions of ALL bloggers being anti-establishment and hence must be exterminated at all costs? And how is that fair to other bloggers who don’t share your cause?
You flatter me when saying that my thoughts represent the future generation of Malaysia, Susan. However it would be utterly insolent if I were to accept that as I can see many other youths from diverse backgrounds working together towards a better Malaysia, which would hopefully be brighter than the somber projection that you painted.
And this is my last word on the subject. I’ll be enjoying my hiatus avoiding leeches in FRIM, and you guys can have fun in my comment box while I’m away.
p/s. My other musings of All-Blogs can be found here, here and the infamous here.
p/p/s. It is Jun-E, J-U-N with a dash, E. *slaps forehead*
Hiatus kononnya. It still stands, by the way. Right after I respond to this ball in my court – last one, I promise. I’ll try to make this as clear as possible, then potter back to wherever I please.
Please read this if you haven’t.
Set? Go.
Firstly, in Susan’s rebuttal to me, there was no mention of Ijok in anywhere. This is strange because I was referring to her proposal of passing up a referendum in Ijok at the first place. And to view all the arguments in this context and temporal dimension is crucial, on two accounts: 1. Ijok’s ultra-sensitive political position. 2. All-Blogs is in its infancy, it is less than 1 month-old and has not even been registered. Its constitution is not ready; membership issues are still being thrashed out. To an extent, it is still but a figment of our imaginations, each person imagining his/her own version of what All-Blogs should be. Like a friend was telling me - blind men and the elephant.
Secondly, it is apparent that we have different targets in mind when we talk about the blogosphere. This I have to set right, because arguing with two different sets of assumptions is just wasting everybody’s time. To me, the Malaysian blogosphere composes of EVERY single blogger. Those who blog about their cats, their cars, what they had for lunch, how Phuket is the best place on earth and etc. Private, public. Real name, pseudonym. 80yearolds, 10yearolds. EVERYBODY. Sociopolitical bloggers should not be so presumptuous as to believe that they are the only segment of the blogosphere who matter.
I had been observing other segments of the blogosphere when the Bloggers United movement broke out. Based on my observations, many other bloggers simply do not share the indignant feelings of this part of the blogosphere. They don’t care. *gasps from the audience* They don’t. So from that point of view, I’d say that basing All-Blogs on the Bloggers United framework would limit it to precisely the 300 people who put up the badge. But All-Blogs could be so much more!
Thirdly, I am not proposing that bloggers under All-Blogs tone down to appease the government. We have to be clear here, that All-Blogs is an entity separate from its members. Its members can do whatever they like, but NOT under the name of All-Blogs. For example, Rocky can go to Ijok and blog about it, but he may not blog that “All-Blogs went to Ijok today”, unless it was passed by an All-Blogs meeting. The members can have all kinds of ideologies and inclinations, but the umbrella of All-Blogs must be neutral. Also, All-Blogs should not impose any rules on its bloggers except some general non-binding pledge, like I had previously mentioned here.
You mentioned that All-Blogs must take a stand to educate and engage the government. Well, my stand is that we should keep our eyes on the macro objectives of freedom of expression and freedom of information (elaborated here), and I don’t believe that going to Ijok, demanding for freedom for bloggers is a strategic move to lead us towards that direction. I beg to differ about the government not needing education on blogging, and I don’t think they need any more persuasion that bloggers are serious about their freedom to blog. How do you intend to educate and engage the government when you push it further to confirm its suspicions of ALL bloggers being anti-establishment and hence must be exterminated at all costs? And how is that fair to other bloggers who don’t share your cause?
You flatter me when saying that my thoughts represent the future generation of Malaysia, Susan. However it would be utterly insolent if I were to accept that as I can see many other youths from diverse backgrounds working together towards a better Malaysia, which would hopefully be brighter than the somber projection that you painted.
And this is my last word on the subject. I’ll be enjoying my hiatus avoiding leeches in FRIM, and you guys can have fun in my comment box while I’m away.
p/s. My other musings of All-Blogs can be found here, here and the infamous here.
p/p/s. It is Jun-E, J-U-N with a dash, E. *slaps forehead*
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All-Blogs must NOT go to Ijok
I have been observing with interest this post of Susan Loone's, pushing All-Blogs to go to Ijok to "campaign for freedom of speech for bloggers". The arguments going in her comment section seems to have gone awry, attacking people based on their political inclinations (which is totally irrelevant and somewhat childish). Noone seems to care about what I see as the bigger picture, i.e. the future of All-Blogs to be able to unite all bloggers, to educate and to engage the government about blogging.
I wish I could put it in a more diplomatic way (since there are other segments of the cyberspace who strongly agree with Susan) but my opinion is: NO. All-Blogs must NOT go to Ijok.
Firstly, as I have mentioned here in my recommendations for All-Blogs, All-Blogs has to undergo an image revamp. It is important from several levels, to engage more people to blog, and to calm the government down, convince them that we are not here to topple it, but to help it improve our beloved country. We have to be neutral (and perceived so), and change has to come gradually. Not radically, and definitely not when All-Blogs is less than one month old and is still trying to define its existence.
Strategically speaking, it is suicide, for All-Blogs to "campaign", during the clash of the titans. To be there, to be waving the (not yet existent) flag of All-Blogs, will just increase the government’s apparent paranoia towards bloggers. Who's gonna hear, or believe, your cries of “All-Blogs is supporting neither the Opposition or Ruling Party”? Perception is the truth. Besides, at Ijok, the heated atmosphere will force us (All-Blogs) to take sides. Even in Susan’s post, people are taking sides already.
If we go to Ijok and present a referendum, saying "support my referendum, or siaplah kau", do you seriously believe that something good will come out of that? Here are some likely scenarios:
Are we out to prove that our (figurative) balls are bigger than the government’s? Stay focused, people. The good of the country. Getting heard by those who matter. Talking not only to the enlightened, but also to everybody else. Get the drift?
The second thing is, All-Blogs should not do anything of this sort without the agreement of the majority of its members, or at this moment, its committee members (which I am not part of =P). The constitution is not even out to state the All-Blogs’ policies towards these issues! I absolutely refuse to be represented by an entity which I do not believe in.
Yes, bloggers can go by their personal capacities to observe the campaigning process and perhaps provide us with insights overlooked by the mainstream media. But please spare All-Blogs.
I have actually spoken to Rocky about this matter. There seems to be a mix-up of sorts, which I hope that he will clarify a.s.a.p. What I have read and what he has told me seems to be two different scenarios.
I wish I could put it in a more diplomatic way (since there are other segments of the cyberspace who strongly agree with Susan) but my opinion is: NO. All-Blogs must NOT go to Ijok.
Firstly, as I have mentioned here in my recommendations for All-Blogs, All-Blogs has to undergo an image revamp. It is important from several levels, to engage more people to blog, and to calm the government down, convince them that we are not here to topple it, but to help it improve our beloved country. We have to be neutral (and perceived so), and change has to come gradually. Not radically, and definitely not when All-Blogs is less than one month old and is still trying to define its existence.
Strategically speaking, it is suicide, for All-Blogs to "campaign", during the clash of the titans. To be there, to be waving the (not yet existent) flag of All-Blogs, will just increase the government’s apparent paranoia towards bloggers. Who's gonna hear, or believe, your cries of “All-Blogs is supporting neither the Opposition or Ruling Party”? Perception is the truth. Besides, at Ijok, the heated atmosphere will force us (All-Blogs) to take sides. Even in Susan’s post, people are taking sides already.
If we go to Ijok and present a referendum, saying "support my referendum, or siaplah kau", do you seriously believe that something good will come out of that? Here are some likely scenarios:
- Govt becomes even more paranoid and (futile) blogger registration exercises are expedited.
- Govt laughs at bloggers. With the full capacity of RM36mil behind Ijok. Govt laughs hard.
- Opposition makes use of All-Blogs for their political speeches. All-Blogs sinks deeper into its anti-establishment image and loses whatsoever hope it has left of being a neutral entity, able to educate govt about what blogs are, and engage govt for healthy dialogue.
- All-Blogs is ignored. What? We are not as important as we think we are?
Are we out to prove that our (figurative) balls are bigger than the government’s? Stay focused, people. The good of the country. Getting heard by those who matter. Talking not only to the enlightened, but also to everybody else. Get the drift?
The second thing is, All-Blogs should not do anything of this sort without the agreement of the majority of its members, or at this moment, its committee members (which I am not part of =P). The constitution is not even out to state the All-Blogs’ policies towards these issues! I absolutely refuse to be represented by an entity which I do not believe in.
Yes, bloggers can go by their personal capacities to observe the campaigning process and perhaps provide us with insights overlooked by the mainstream media. But please spare All-Blogs.
I have actually spoken to Rocky about this matter. There seems to be a mix-up of sorts, which I hope that he will clarify a.s.a.p. What I have read and what he has told me seems to be two different scenarios.
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